Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
anonymous from Spain, I know this girl (Patricia, email@example.com), she is a fake. You're getting 100%scam from Ghana. 'Patricia' tried to scam me but I contacted the nigerianscamcheck and they did a background check of these scammers...
You are right about the different planets. Man is from Mars. Woman is from Venus. It has little to do with countries. The two species even cross borders if they want to meet. Wow!! http://en.wikipedia..rom_Venus
Hi dear people!
what a discussion :-)))
How 'bout that: every person is like different Universe...A?
Thanks Dirk ;-) Thanks Peter for Major Tom :-) Lets drink a bit tonight? Peter, are going to join us? In USA its morning -we will not seduce our friends todrink alcohol in the morning (its bad Russian habit)
@to господин Kраснопольский - русский? I think so. Мне трудно поверить, что Google tranlsator is so good :-) If so let people do their home work ;-)
Cлишком хороший перевод, но есть ошибки 'Russians' not 'Russian' and I would translate 'nice person' not 'nice man'... Oops! the same mistake with 'Malaysians'! You should write Malaysian. May be its really Google translator???
OJAS from United States
We always use Cyrillic when talking about Tony; Krasnapolsky will NOT post translation for him! :-D
I can only hope when you are talking about me in Cyrillic that's it's something nice. If not, oh well. I'll just send you a talking picture of me barking! Can you translate barkeneze?
anonymous from Dammam, Saudi Arabia
Hello guys especially to all Filipinos, Mag-ingat sa ganitong mga message. I got some strange messages from a girl from Senegal asking for help, maybe she thought I’m a man and I’ll send her some money to safe her from refugee camp. I’ll place here letters from her, from the bank and from the attorney and also her picture. I'm sure she's a Scammer. Kala nya makakadali sya sa akin..
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:09:46 -0700
Subject: I WILL LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT YOU
I am more than happy in your urgent reply to my mail. How was your day?.
mine was cool over here in Dakar Senegal.
My name is Susan fab am from Liberia in west Africa and
presently i am residing in the refugee camp here in dakar as a result of the civil war going on in my country. My late father Dr Daniel fab was the personal advicer to the former head of state before the rebels attacked my house one early morning killing my mother and my father. It was only me that is alive now and i managed to make my way to near by country Senegal where i am leaving now. I would like to know more about you. Your likes and dislikes,your hobbies and what you are doing presently.I will tell more about myself in my next mail.
Attached here is my picture,
Hoping to hear from you soonest.
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:08:37 -0700
Subject: THIS IS MY LIFE STORY
Good day to you and how are you getting on?.I do hope that you are catching up with the goodies of the day in full.Mine here is very hot and like you know we are living in the refugee camp here in Dakar Senegal. In this camp we are only allowed to go out only on Mondays and Fridays of the weeks.Its just like one staying in the prison and i hope by Gods grace i will come out here soon.
We don't have any relatives now whom we can go to all our relatives ran away in the middle of the war the only person we have now is Rev Johnson Eke who is the pastor of the (Christ The King Church) here in the camp he has been very nice to me since i came here but i am not living with him rather i am leaving in the women's hostel because the camp have two hostels one for men the other for women.
The Pastors Tel number is (+221-76-696-01-73) if you call and tell him that you want to speak with me he will send for me in the hostel. As a refugee here don't have any right or privilege to any thing be it money or whatever because it is against the law of this country.I want to go back to my studies because only attended my first year before the tragic incident that lead to my being in this situation now took place.Please listen to this,i have my late father's statement of account and death certificate here with me which i will send to you latter,
Because when he was alive he deposited some amount of money in a leading bank in Europe which he used my name as the next of kin,the amount in question is $3.5M (Three Million five Hundred Thousand USA Dollars). So i will like you to help me transfer this money to your account and from it you can send some money for me to get my travel ling documents and air ticket to come over to meet with you.I kept this secret to people in the camp here the only person that knows about it is the Rev rend because he is like a father to me. So in the light of above i will like you to keep it to yourself and don't tell it to anyone for i am afraid of loosing my life and the money if people gets to know about it.
Remember aim giving you all this information due to the trust and love i deposited on you.I like honest and understanding people,truthful and a man of vision,truth and hard working.Mean while i will like you to call me like i said i have alto to tell you.I will like you to call me like i said i have alto to tell you.Have a nice day and think about me.Awaiting to hear from you soonest
miss susan Fab
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:19:09 -0700
Subject: PLEASE HELP ME TO CONTACT THE BANK FOR POSSIBLITY OF THE TRANSFER,
It's mine pleasure to know how you are doing today?.
I believe all is well with you.
As for me iam doing well and i felt very happy reading your mail as i will
like to come over to meet with you immediately after the transsfer of my
money to your position for a better life.
My dear i prayed and fasted when i got your contact before it was revealed
to me by God that you are the right man for me who will love and cherish me
without minding our colour difference.
You can call me with this number 00221-76-468-39-98 in the church office and
you tell Rev Johnson Eke that you want to speak with me so that we can talk
more about ourselves.
My dear i want to come over to meet with you for the rest of my life as i
have seen that you are the right man for me and i will like you to help me
in the transfer of my 3.5 million dollars so that you can send me some money
to prepare my travling document to come over to meet with you for a better
Honey i loved you so much and i can't wait to meet with you for the rest of
my life and iam looking towards that lovely day when i will be meeting with
you for the rest of my life after the transfer of my money to your position
so that you can send me some money to prepare my traveling documents to meet
with you for a better life.
My dear please i will like you to send an email to the bank today about the
possible transfer of my 3.5 million dollars deposited at TRIODOS BANK PLC
OF SCOTLAND which my name appears as the next of kin due to my refugee
status here in Senegal.
I have informed the bank about you and they are waiting for your email so
that they can transfer this money to your position for our lovely meeting.
Here is the contact information of the bank in Scotland where the money was
deposited by my late father is as follows,
TRIODOS BANK PLC OF SCOTLAND
NAME OF THE TRANSFER OFFICER IS MR OLIVER STOCKEN.
TELEPHONE NUMBER IS 00447014227539, 00447014227542, 00442070601042
FAX NUMBER +44 709-280-4174
Already i have informed this bank about my intention to claim my late
father's deposit of which my name appears as the next of kin. The only thing
the bank told me is to look for a foreign partner who will assiat me in the
to my refugee status here in Senegal,as a refugee i am not allowed direct
claim of the money but through an appointed representative as the united
refugee law governing refugee all over the world states.
Based on this information i will like you to send an email to the transfer
department of the bank today with this email
Attentioned Mr Oliver Stocken the foreign transfer officer of the bank
telling him that you are my representative and that you want to assist me
transfer my 3.5 million dollars deposited by late father of which iam the
next of kin after which you call me on phone today.
THE ACCOUNT INFORMATION ARE AS FOLLOWS.
ACCOUNT NAME IS DR DANIEL FAB
AMOUNT 3.5MILLION DOLLARS.
NEXT OF KIN MISS SUSAN FAB
God bless you as you do this today,
Letter 4 from bank department
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:19:21 -0700
Subject: TRANSFER DEPARTMENT
For your attention,
I have been directed by the director of Foreign Operation/Wire Transfer to write you in respect to the mail we recieved from Miss Susan Fab to contact you as her foreign partner.
Actually,we have earlier been told about you by the young lady Miss Susan Fab that she wishes you to be her trustee/representative for the claim of her late father's deposit with our bank.
Late Dr Daniel Fab is our late customer with substantial amount(US$3,500,000.00) of deposit with us.
Hence you have been really appointed as a trustee to represent the next ofKin.
However before our bank will transact any bussiness concerning thetransfer of the fund with you , we will like you to send the followings:
1.A power of attorney permiting you to claim and transfer the funds to your bank account on her behalf.This document must be endorsed by a Senegalese resident lawyer which she can help you to get one.
2.The death certificate of late Dr Daniel Fab (Her deceased father)comfirming the death.
3.A copy of statement of account of the account issued to Dr Daniel Fab by our bank.
Note that the above are compulsory, and are needed to protect our interest,yours, the next of kin after the claims.
These shall also ensure that a smooth, quick and successful transfer of the fund is made.
We promise to give our customers the best of our services.
Should you have any question(s), please contact our foreign transfer officer for Mr.Oliver Stocken on any of these telephone numbers Tel 00447031944406, 00447031943814 for more directives/clarifications.
Mrs. Mercy Duke.
(For Accounts Dept/Transfer Dept)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 05:05:13 -0700
Subject: CONTACT THIS LAWYER EMMIDATLEY,
How are you this lovely evening?.
I believe you are well.
God will bless and reward you for every effort you are making to
see me out from this horrible situation i found myself today.
As for me i am fine here with all hopes that you will
assist me to transfer my money to your position for a
better life with you.
I appreciated the way you are handling this transfer
of my money to your position pending my arrival to meet with you to start a
I am suffering here in the prison called refugee camp and i believe with you
i can start a new life in your country after the transfer of my money to
I can see what the bank is demanding before they will transfer my
money to your position.
Presently i have my late father death certificate and statement of
account with me here which i have given to this lawyer to send to
you when you contact him.
The only problem we have now is the power of
attorney which the bank said that it will be issued by a lawyer
here in senegal for me to sign my signature on it.
After reading your mail, i discussed it with Rev Johnson Ekeh and he
gave me the contact of this lawyer Barrister Jude Moris.
He is one of the lawyers working with the united nations here in
dakar senegal. I will want you to contact him on both phone and
email telling him that you are my foreign partner that you need his services
to prepare a power of attorney that will enable you
transfer my 3.5 million dollars from TRIODOS BANK OF SCOTLAND to your
account on mybehalf due to my refugee status.
His contact informations are as follows,
Dr Jude Moris E maill address(firstname.lastname@example.org)
Office telephone number +221-76-84-097-26
God bless you as you contact him immediately,
Yours in love forever
Letter 6 from lawyer
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:45:33 -0500
SEQUEL TO YOUR EMAIL TO MY CHAMBERS ON HOW TO PREPARE A POWER OF ATTORNEY FOR YOU AND YOUR PARTNER.
MY NOBLE LAW FIRM WISH TO BRING TO YOUR NOTICE THAT BEFORE WE CAN PROCCED WITH THIS SERVICES WE WILL WANT YOU TO FORWARD TO THIS LAW FIRM IMMEDIATELY YOUR FULL CONTACT DETAILS(YOUR TELEPHONE NUMBERS,NAME AND ADDRESS AS YOU WANT IT TO APPEAR ON THE POWER OF ATTORNEY).
SO THAT I WILL GO TO THE FEDERAL HIGH COURT HERE TO ACERTAIN THE COST OF THE AUTHENTICATION OF THE POWER OF ATTORNEY BEFORE IT BECOMES VALID.
AFTER WHICH MY LAW FIRM WILL CONTACT YOU BACK WITH THE REQUIREMENTS BEFORE ACCEPTING TO RENDER THE REQUIRED LEGAL SERVICES.
YOURS IN SERVICE,
BARRISTER JUDE MORIS
Letter7 from lawyer
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:03:26 -0500
Subject: LETTER OF ACCEPTANCE
Sequel to your email on how to prepare a power of attorney for you and your partner Miss Susan Fab.
Your partner Miss Susan Fab was in my office with Rev Johnson Eke to discuss about the issuing to you an authorisation letter that will enable you stand on her behalf to transfer her money from TRIODOS BANK OF SCOTLAND to your account in your country or elsewhere....
Prior to my enquries from the bank and high court,I understand from the bank that there are three documents required by them before the transfer of the money to you.
1...A copy of Death certificate of Dr Daniel Fab
2.A copy of His Statement of account.(WHICH I HAVE ATTACHED TO THIS MAIL).
It is now remaining one document.
Which is power of attorney which will enable the Bank to deal with you on behalf of your partner...
From my enquiries, it will cost the sum of 480 euros for authentication o f th e power of attorney at the high court before it becomes valid and 200 euros for notary stamping at the notary republic My legal processing fee of 100 euros total (780 euros) To speedy the process you are to send the 780 euros to me immediately through western union money transfer system..(which is the fastest way of sending money to enable my noble office prepare and validate the power of attorney here in the hig h court and notar y republic respectively.
You are to send the 780 euros with my name Dr Jude Moris
Dr Jude Morisi
18 Airport Road Dakar Senegal
Send or call me for the information as soon as you send the money to enable my chambers collect the money from western union local office here.
Yours sincerely in service,
Dr Jude Moris(Principal Partner)..............................................................................(ESQ)
No 18 Airport Road Dakar Senegal (2nd-floor)
Letter 8 from lawyer
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:47:52 -0500
Subject: TAKE NOTE
WITH REFERENCE TO THE MAIL I RECIEVED FROM MISS SUSAN FAB ASKING FOR AN ASSISTANCE FROM ME,THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE I NEED THIS SUM TO PAY FOR THE STAMP DUTY FEES AT THE HIGH COURT FPOR AUTHENTICATION BEFORE THE LEGAL MANDATE BECOMES VALID.
THE ONLY ASSISTANCE I CAN RENDER CONSIDERING THE SIUATION OF YOUR PARTNER IS TO SEND ME 680 EUROS WHICH COVERS THE FEES TO BE PAID AT THE HIGH COURT AND NORTARY OFFICE AND MY 1000000 EUROS ATTORNEY PROCCESING FEES CAN BE PAID IMMEDIATELY THE BANK TRANSFER HER FUNDS TO YOUR ACCOUNT
I AM NOW WAITING FOR THE WESTERN UNION TRANSFER INFORMATION OF THE 680 EUROS SO THAT I WILL PROCCED WITH THE VALIDATION AND AUTHENTICATION OF THE POWER OF ATTORNEY IN THE FEDERAL HIGH COURT AND NORTARY OFFICE.THIS LEGAL MANDATE WILL BE READY TWO DAYS AFTER THE RECIEPT OF THE MONEY.
THIS SUM IS NEEDED FOR STAMP DUTY FEES AT THE FEDERAL HIGH COURT AND NORTARY REPUBLIC RESPECTIVELY AND I CAN NOT DO ANYTHING UNLESS THIS MONEY IS PAID.
YOURS IN SERVICE,
BARRISTER JUDE MORIS.
Peter from Germany
Thank you for posting letters and data here. Yes, that is scam, meanwhile we call refugee camp scam. This BARRISTER JUDE MORIS I had in my mailbox to. Some nigerians are harvesting the internet for email adresses and spamming their mails then some hundred thousand times.
These mails are not very dangerous but the mass makes it profitable. Sure there are some newbies who fall for that regulary. So thanks again.
hello i bumped into this site while looking for agencies that scam models go figure:))
i'm a girl from romania i do cam shows, maybe most of you think poorly of a girl that does this but it's my job i make a decent living and i love it
anyway up to the point of me posting
I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE HELL NICE INTELIGENT GUYS FALL FOR THE SAME SCAM OVER AND OVER AGAIN?????
alot of my members have been scamed alltough i allways warn them girls in eastern europe will take the money and never send another email
please try and be realistic it's better to find a decent woman WHERE YOU LIVE then risk your heart and wallet !
I know some girls around eastern europe are verry beautifull but if you plan on geting married beauty shouldnt be the reason you do it, most of us are litlerally LIVING on the internet these days and trying to find love in all the wrong places
Even if she comes to us on a fiance visa 90 days is not enough to get to know somebody enough to tie the know I MEAN FOR REAL GUYS did you ever think she could get married and then take half of what you own after a while????????
I think alot of us people living in the 21 century should leave our computers whenever possible and try to find love as we should FACE TO FACE
A girl that has heard lots of sad stories like yours