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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2009-05-06, 08:21:39   (updated: 2009-05-06, 08:45:17)
OJAS from United States  
CWB, Bom Dia!
X-Mailer: The Bat! This means your scammer is mass mailing to about 300 lovers everyday.
See http://www.delphifa..41#134646
The most 3 useful data are:
1) Sender e-mail address
2) X-Mailer
3) Sender IP (This can be found as in the above link)

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Obrigado.
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Vlada, 2009-05-06, 07:26:11
I am not expert equal you

Please read these 3 threads, and you will be able to help Portuguese speakers.
GRUPO DE DISCUSSÃO EM PORTUGUÊS http://www.delphifa..930.shtml
ALGUMAS DO SITE PARPERFEITO http://www.delphifa..966.shtml
Dating scammer Irina http://www.delphifa..3901.shtml
2009-05-06, 09:13:05
molinric@gmail.com from United States  
My Dearest
How are you today?
i am very happy to your responded to the email i sent to you in your address at the site.I am Miss Grace Ubar. Age 23. ft 5/6. wt 59 .i am the only daughter of Late Dr Patrick Ubar from Ivory Coast in west Africa, who died during the war in my country last two years (2003). My father was the personal adviser to our former head of state .(LATE GEN ROBERT GUEI) he is the owner of Ubar Cocoa industries(LTD) before he was assasinated along side with my mother on a cold blood one morning. But i managed to escape for my dear life and ran into a neighbouring country,(Dakar) the capital of (Senegal) and i am reciding there now as a refugee.in the refugee camp.. Meanwhile,I am writting to you now in at Revrend's computer and will like to know you more before we move forward from here!
thanks
yours

grace, I am very sorry for your troubles. I have a bit of knowledge about your area, having done some work in the area.
How can I help you, Pretty Lady? Would you like to get out of there? I will wait until I learn more about you.
I move into and out of Senegal on a somewhat regular basis in my work.
I do some things in the area.
Please, let me know.


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2009-05-06, 13:45:10
Agent,86 from Salem, United States  
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molinric@ from the USA

Hello, I read your posting and several things stood out at me.
To begin with never post, your e mail address on this site.
Scammers may flood, your in box as they watch this site.
You did not give any information on the scam ?
No mention of money ?
You did not give a e mail address of the scammer.
The fact that this was from the Ivory Coast West Africa proves it is
a scam. Never tell a scammer anything about this site.
Please be aware that nearly all scammers are men.
They use stolen photo's and use fake names and manipulate
their victims into giving them money.
I hope for, Your sake, You have already ended any contact with this
She / He. Be prepared to be scammed again even by the same
scammer using a different fake name, another stolen photo, and another
e mail address.

Kind Regards Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'//



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2009-05-06, 16:44:39
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Just a suggestion but have you googled the IP 69.126.32.27 ? very interesting results
2009-05-06, 17:03:14
anonymous  
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salut les amis dear friends you must take care a lot and never trust a russian girl even though she is very beautifull i received i messages from ekaterinagirl80@yahoo.com she is looking for her husband in the pretext that men in russia are not calified because they drink a lot and they don't work... she send me a lot of photos and every letter she tray to send more inciting photos and talk more about love about the first meeting kisses caresses...love. but she never reply or answer some specific questions exactly adress religion she told me that she is alone no sister no brothers
finally she told methat she want to visit me but she hasn't enough money she told me to send her money so as to come and visit me..........
2009-05-07, 07:41:33
maryousmlim@live.com from Romania  



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2009-05-07, 07:42:48
maryousmlim@live.com from Romania  



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2009-05-07, 08:08:00
pavelmarcel14@yahoo.com from Romania  
y speak litle english,y speak french.y whant une beautiful whomen.thanks


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2009-05-07, 13:37:40
MAGNUS from Norrtlje, Sweden  
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Hello everybody.How are you?I wich you a good evening.
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