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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2009-10-01, 17:11:41
Jacques from France  
Thank you Wanwan I think it is also unknown site


Veronika
nikkasokk@gmail.com

NiKKa (RussianEuro)
You know, I have never talked to the people in the Internet before, so I feel a little bit weird, but pleasant at the same time. I'm very happy that we met each other at that site and that we can talk with each other. I will be happy if you write me more and tell me about your life, and now I will try to describe my life to you. I hope it won't be boring! :) Well, I'm an average Ukrainian girl, I went to school like all the little girls and when I was a child, I had a toy hare, and his name was Fluffy! :) Ha ha ha, it sounds stupid, yes? OK, to the serious things. As for my work, I work as a librarian in the local library for kids, I like communicating with kids, but sometimes I feel that I'm just locked in this place. I live in the not very big city called
Kramatorsk; it is in the Donetsk region, on the East of Ukraine. Really, we do not have much to do here, so most of the people are working or drinking. I don't drink at all, maybe only on occasions. I have friends and sometimes when we are all free we go to the park and have picnics there. I'm finishing the local University, I will graduate soon, my major (you will be
surprised!) is World Literature. Oh, I forgot: I live with my Mom, she is a great person and she supports me in everything. My father left my Mom when she was pregnant, maybe because of this I don't have the trust to local men. I'm so tired of being lonely, I want to love somebody, I want to build a family. I'm 26 and I think it is the time for it. I know that a lot of people are finding their second halves in the Internet, so I decided to try. Hope it will bring the results! :) I will be very happy to talk to you more, to see more photos of you!
Kisses,
Your Veronika

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Dear Sir,
We are contacting you by the request of your lady Veronika. She has been to our office today and asked us to contact you. As you know, your lady Veronika is using the services of our agency. Weare making the translations from Russian to English and vice versa, scanning and printing of the photos and also give the access to the Internet. Veronika asked us to inform you that she has a hard financial situation at the moment and can not pay for our services to contact you.
In case you want to help your lady with the payment we can give you the necessary information. We have the certain amount of services that could be useful to you and your lady in your communication. As you already know, we offer the translation, scanning, printing and access to the Internet. Also, we have the delivery services for our clients and the phone conversations with the interpreter. We have such service as chatting with your lady using the messenger. We are not marriage or dating agency, we work in the area of translation. We do not have the site in the Internet.
The name of our company is 'Per Annum' and the main office is situated in Kramatorsk.
If you have any questions you are free to ask them, we will answer them immediately.
Sincerely yours,
Administration of 'Per Annum'

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2009-10-01, 17:13:01
Jacques from France  
Veronika
nikkasokk@gmail.com



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2009-10-01, 17:13:55
Jacques from France  
Veronika
nikkasokk@gmail.com



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2009-10-01, 17:14:48
Jacques from France  
Veronika
nikkasokk@gmail.com



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2009-10-01, 17:15:41
Jacques from France  
Veronika
nikkasokk@gmail.com



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2009-10-01, 17:16:39
Jacques from France  
Veronika
nikkasokk@gmail.com



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2009-10-01, 17:17:43
Jacques from France  
Veronika
nikkasokk@gmail.com
The last one


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2009-10-01, 17:33:23
Jacques from France  
Veronika
nikkasokk@gmail.com

What does per annum mean?

im applying for a job and the pay is 40,000 per annum???

Yahoo answers

That means '40,000 Per Year'. So if you are paid :
Monthly - Divide by 12 -it is 3,333.33
Twice per month - Divide by 24-it is 1,666.67
Weekly - Divide by 52-it is 769.23
Every 2 Weeks - Divide by26-it is 1,538.46
2009-10-01, 19:30:09
anonymous from Norway  
Do you think this girl are a scammer?
I do.

Her link http://www.datemefr..ID=123908



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2009-10-01, 21:04:09
OJAS from United States  
@Wanwan 2009-10-01, 09:14:42 on pge 350, http://www.delphifa..p=5#174070
2009-10-02, 01:47:23
Donald,Trumps from Australia  
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To wanwan and OJAS,

there is so much written here and so many links to follow up that I am lagging behind.
And so much to learn to be able to to lead a scammer on.

I think I do not have the guts to go on with 'My Liza'.
I worry about making a mistake and getting myself into trouble.
Would it be possible to giver her over to someone here who can do it well?

Maybe I could tell her my email has been compromised and we have to use another address. Then We can set up another address for someone here to follow through.

I fear this is too big a job for me.

Any Ideas on this fellas?
2009-10-02, 03:53:22
wanwan from Japan  
@Donald !!
I see what you want to say.
OJAS & me never rush you .
If you don't want to play with her,
please stop the game.
I am so glad that you didn't fall into Russian Honey Trap.
And we know you already have known that Liza is a Russian scammer.
It is enough for you and us ,I think so.
We are very happy that you did not remit any money to Liza.
I think it is the time to stop your game.
Thank you for your postings & efforts,our Donald.
You have done good job on Delphi.
Your infos are very helpful to us,
so your job will be useful to future potential victims.
Special thanks to you !!!!


By the way I want to tell you something.
Donald,do you have any ''@gmail.com '' address ?
If not,I recommend you to get '' @gmail.com '' e-mail address.
It will protect you from scammers.
When you visit a Dating Site in the future,
please use ''@gmail.com'' address.
Never use your personal e-mail address,I hope so.

And please listen to me.
Your Liza already has known your personal e-mail address.
She will change her name & photos then she will try to scam you again.
Do you know that fact ?
So please be careful !
If you find another unknown Russian like '' Ekaterina '','' Irina '' in your mail box,
it is your LIZA ! Never trust those idiocy unknown mails from Russia.
At that time when you find any ZIP files ,never click it ! It is trojans.
It will spy your personal data !
So be careful and delete those unknown zip files.


Thank you ,Donald.
When you receive a scam mail,please come on Delphi,
and post on !!Please enjoy posting those idiocy stuff on Delphi.

I hope you could find a real girl on line.

mata-ne ,my friend Donald !
Have a good weekend !!!


A friendship from Japan !
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2009-10-02, 08:25:13
anonymous from India  
Hi, my dear friend Sam
I don't know how use yahoo msg, may be you will explain me how by it to use?
How is your mood? I am very happy, I have some news.
Today at my work my boss has praised me for my work.
I had long conversation with her and she told me that I work very well
and I sighed many contracts for our company.
She told me that she will give me holiday
and I shall receive the premium for the well done job.
I was very glad to get this good news.

I think that we can get know each other closer.
As you know, if you meet someone you must see,
if everything beautiful in a person - face, clothing, spirit and mind.
As for me I judge not by person’s appearance.
The most beautiful thing, which I like in man is his spirit, not the face.
I think that if the man has nice spirit, he is the best man in the world.
As for me I have everything but not love that’s why I decided to write you.
I hope that everything will be all right.
And what do you think about it?

It seems to me that you are a very good and interesting person,
and I would like to know you better.
It is my first time when I use the Internet to get acquainted with somebody.

However now I want to say you some word about my city.
Kulebaki is very little city in Russia (Nijegorodskaya Oblast).
The population is here about 35 000 people.
By the way, my address:
Motrosovo 39-23, Knyaginino, Nijegorodskaya Oblast' Russian Federation.
Tell me about your city????
Hope to hear from you very soon!!!
Take care,
Your Elena.


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2009-10-02, 09:34:09
[hidden] from Australia  
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Thank you for letting me off the hook wanwan. I never thought for a moment that you were pushing me into scammimg the scammer.

I just thought someone with more experience would do a better job of it.

However I will continue with her for a while, at least until I get to a point where I don't know what to do. Then I suppose that I can ask for assistance here.

I can supply all emails and photos up to this point if you want. I can post them here of send them to your email address directly. (At the moment I do not know any addresses of anyone here).

The email history follows the formula all the way. After the 'Money Letter' she kept pressing it for several emails, and I responded to each that I could not raise the money. Finally I sent a one-liner 'THERE IS NO MONEY'.

Her three following emails have not mentioned money, only how much she'Loves' me and prays (should be PREYS) for the day when we will finally meet. My replies have been in kind.

I just received another 'Love Letter', and I will keep her sweet.

I can play a while longer at least. There is no pressure for now.

Let me know if you want her emails (about 18 - they are strictly formula) or mine or her photos(15), posted or emailed. I have researched her photos here and on the many similar sites you have pointed me to, and I have not found a single match.

BTW I have seen 411 and 419 mentioned a lot. I can only guess at what they refer to, but cCan you tell me what they mean exactly?

Thanks again.
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2009-10-02, 09:44:13
Donald,Trumps from Australia  
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Oh yes. I forgot to ask.

I have a couple of @yahoo.com addresses. How is a @gmail.com address any better protection?

And I have heard the term 'mata-ne' before, but I don't recall what it means.
Can you tell me?

Thanks
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