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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2010-01-02, 06:36:47
ww from Japan  
@DOC



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2010-01-02, 06:46:06
wanwan from Japan  

Hello my love Geroppa!!! My dear, I am pleased that you could send me all the data needed, so I was able to withdraw money.
When I came to the bank to withdraw money that you sent me, so that I came to you. I was very sad.
Because the bank was already closed. I went to another bank, but he too was already closed.
Now I will go tomorrow to the bank to withdraw money. But as tomorrow Saturday the banks may be closed.
Because they have the day off. If you are not able to get the money, I will shoot them well on Monday.
My dear Geroppa!!! I was very sad that I did not have in the bank.
My love, I ask you for forgiveness for the fact that I was not able to withdraw money.
My dear, I ask you again to send me full all the data that on Monday or on Saturday I could have just withdraw all the money to travel to you.
Write me the exact amount that you sent me. Full name and surname. Just complete the country and city where you live.
Dear Geroppa !!!, I love you and want as quickly as possible to come to you and be with you next. I firmly thee whole.
You are my greatest love.
We will soon be together, my prince.
Your love Liliya.


She said '' Liliya ''(not Lilia,,,,).




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IP Address Country Region City Latitude/
Longitude ZIP Code Time Zone
188.186.11.14 RUSSIAN FEDERATION MARIY-EL YOSHKAR-OLA 56.637
47.871 - +03:00
Net Speed ISP Domain
DSL CJSC COMPANY ER-TELECOM TYUMEN' ERTELECOM.RU

IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
7 - (RSXX0186) KOZ'MODEM'JANSK







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2010-01-04, 20:28:54
anonymous from United States  
I got this email and some other's from this girl/scammer!!!!. don't be fooled by scammer's
Miss Elena (diiamonds24@yahoo.com
Hello Shawn! as always I am glad to see your letter and do
hope that you have the same feelings when you see mine!!!!!I have

bought tickets and I will leave Irkutsk today evening to travel to moscow ,it takes only four hours to travel by plane!to be fair I think I'm a lucky girl to meet

such good man as you in Internet world! I hope I will be lucky enough to meet you in the real life soon!

Yesterday I told my mom about you. She said that now she doesn`t worry about me as before she sees that I have met right man!I want you to know that it is our with mom decision

to leave russia,my mom spent a lot of years here and she was so beautiful (now too) and she has nothing now,and she tells me that I have to leave here as soon as possible I am

not too young and 26 is enough old for women here and i do hope I will be able to meet my dreams there and I am not afraid to work I am afraid to be lose here and spend all my

life without any result of my hard work I worked in some clubs and everything was all right but now nobody here has money and they can't pay for my work and I have not money to

keep my body and face,you know everything costs money and I have to buy a lot of cosmetic to keep my skin and hair because it is all I have (of course I have kind soul).

I told my friends about you and everybody said they will cross one's fingers for us and they hope you are a good man and we will like each other! to be fair I feel myself so

sad... I will miss my work ... I almost cry now... anyway I don't want to make any steps back and I want to continue my arrangements. Shawn hello dear, you should know that after sending this email I will go home, take my packed bags and fly to Moscow! I`m

really afraid to fly on a plane! I hope my plane will not fall down! It is several hours from here to Moscow. Shawn I have been to Moscow before but it was a few

years ago and I only remember that it is very huge and voice city with a lot of people with crazy eyes!and I'm so nervous now...Shawn You know... I had such great

desire to start my trip already.. and now I feel myself like a newborn kitten who has even didn't open it's eyes... I just want to hug my mom and don't want to go anywhere...but

I know that's my dream to start a new life and I will try to turn in to reality! Soon you will hear some news from me from Moscow!!!!!!!I do hope you are really kind man and

will not make me sad!??!!?!?!right!??!?I think I look enough pretty to make your friends envy,how do you think????I`m so exited we will meet soon! I will be able to find a work

so I will not have money problems. I took all my diplomas and dresses but don't worry it is only one suitcase. You know I sent documents for visa to moscow about 2 months ago,

so when I will arrive to moscow my visa will be already ready!!well,I have to run,I think I will be able to send letter from moscow tomorrow but if not please don't worry I m

not sure how long I will need time to find rent room and cyber cafe.Please wait for me and don't look at different girls,you know I am the best!!!(joke).

and please forgive me that every time I have not time to answer on your questions but when we meet we will have a lot of time to talk and you will know all about me then!

Kiss-Kiss from Elena.



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2010-01-06, 07:43:55
ww from Japan  

Hi my love Gerropa !!!
How are you? At me all is good. How weather at you?
I think, that our meeting with you is close. I so miss on you, my love!!!
I so wait for our meeting with you, my Prince!!! And I very much would like, that our meeting with you
Was the most unforgettable moment in our life!!! You would like it, my love?
I think, that we shall be with those happy people on the Earth!!! I believe in it!!!
I want it!!! And we shall be happy with you, my love!!!
My dear, I was unable to withdraw money, because the bank was closed. Because - the fact that they had a short time before the weekend.
But I wrote to you that I will withdraw all the money on Monday, which will work in banks. Dear me not be angry at me.
I ask you for forgiveness. Dear me, I'm sorry that I did not manage to withdraw money.
But on Monday, I always take off all the money that you sent me.
And after Monday, I can fly to you.
Dear me so that on Tuesday necessarily read my letter I shall write to you about how the airport will I fly and I'll meet you there when I lie to you.
My love Gerropa!!! our meeting with you will not forget. We will be with you long to kiss, and all we will be envied.
My dear I am very happy that I will be with you together very soon. My love, I can not write your telephone number as such I have not.
My dear, if you want, you can send me your phone number so that I could call you and tell where I can fly to you.
Dear me, I love you and I want to be with you as soon as possible.
If I get all the money on Monday, I think I can fly to you on Tuesday evening or Wednesday morning.
And just a few hours to be in your arms.
My dear you glad that I can fly to you these days? I am very strong you whole.
My mum transfers you ardent and sincere greetings, And strong embraces!!!
Accept and from me my most sincere wishes, my hot kisses, And also my most passionate embraces!!!
I so dream, that two loving hearts will be together!!! And these two loving hearts are our hearts!!!
Yours Liliya!!!



IP Information - 188.186.9.209IP address: 188.186.9.209
Reverse DNS: net9.186.188-209.tmn.ertelecom.ru.
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Could be forged: hostname net9.186.188-209.tmn.ertelecom.ru. does not exist]
ASN: 0
ASN Name: IANA-RSVD-0
IP range connectivity: 0
Registrar (per ASN): Unknown
Country (per IP registrar): RU [Russian Federation]
Country Currency: RUR [Russia Rubles]
Country IP Range: 188.186.0.0 to 188.187.255.255
Country fraud profile: High
City (per outside source): Unknown
Country (per outside source): -- []
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: whois.arin.net
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 188.186.9.209



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http://www.trusteds..186.9.209

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Received: from localhost (unknown [188.186.9.209])
    (Authenticated sender: lilialovekiss@rambler.ru)





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2010-01-06, 19:51:55
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
IP 188.186.9.209


Hostname: net9.186.188-209.tmn.ertelecom.ru
ISP: ER-Telecom
Organization: CJSC Company ER-Telecom Tyumen'
Proxy: None detected
Type: Cable/DSL

Country: Russian Federation
State/Region: 78
City: Tyumen


What this DNSbl says about itself

UCEPROTECT Blacklist Policy LEVEL 3
Description: Draconic
Level 3 lists IP Space of the worst ASN's.


This blacklist has been created for HARDLINERS. It can, and probably will cause collateral damage to innocent users when used to block email. UCEPROTECT-Level 3 lists all IP's within an ASN if more than 100 IP's, but also a minimum of 0.2% of all IP's allocated to this ASN got Level 1 listed within the last 7 days.

That sounds much more dramatic than it is in reality.
It mostly corresponds to several hundret abusive IP's at smaller providers, and some thousands at middle-sized or big providers.
It is impossible for respectable and professional providers to end up in UCEPROTECT-Level 3, because Level 1 records expire if there is no abuse for 7 days and we also took care about providers size by generating Level 3.

We believe that a professional service provider or carrier should be able to act promptly before listings are escalating up to Level 3, therefore by using Level 3 the chances are that you will mostly block “learning-resistant” service providers or carriers and their customers.
NOTE: By using Level 3 for blocking, be prepared to lose some required mails too. DO NOT BLAME US, YOU HAVE BEEN FOREWARNED!

The recommended use of Level 3 is incorporating it into a scoring system, to give e.g. 2 points on a ‘match’ where 5 or more points trigger a spam tag.

Use of Level 3 for blocking is recommended only if you are a HARDLINER and you want to cause service providers and carriers that have spammer / abusive clients to be quickly and effectively blocked and it does not matter to you when required email is also rejected. This can bring a lot of pressure on service providers and carriers to get their act in order and resolve the issues within their responsibility.

There are about 105000 providers all over the world. Al's statistics can also be interpreted this way, that those 200 to 400 providers which get it to end up in Level 3 are responsible for 40 to 50% of the global spam, while almost no real mail came from their ranges.

Mail server administrators should never implement blacklists unless they are 100% sure of what they are doing. Misconfiguration can result in all incoming mail being blocked.


http://whatismyipad..acklisted

2010-01-06, 20:57:53
anonymous  
I already bookmarked this site and thank you for the useful informative hints and messages, so I did not become one cowes the scammers could milk somethiing out of me. They really have reached out to touch people globally.
2010-01-07, 09:52:12   (updated: 2010-01-07, 09:56:44)
ww from Japan  
LOL !



Hello my love Gerropa!!!
My dear I want you to say. As I went to the bank to withdraw money that you sent me.
Dear Gerropa !!! my money that you sent me, I did not.
Because it was not correctly activation code MTCN.
My Dear Gerropa!!!, I was very upset that has not been able to withdraw money.
My dear I very much ask you to give me once again to all correctly data.
I need only MTCN, that I could withdraw money.
Without this when I could not get the money.
Dear me, I hope that you write me very soon and I send code MTCN.
I'm waiting for a response from you.
I firmly thee whole.
Love Liliya.







Hello my love Gerropa!!! My dear I am now waiting for your letter, but did not waited.
My dear Gerropa!!!! that happened to you? How are you? Why do not you write.
I very much miss your letters. Dear me write to me.
I love you.
Your Liliya.





Hello my love Gerropa!!!
My dear I am writing you a letter again.
Because I did not receive from you any answers.
My Dear Gerropa!!! very I miss you. My dear that with you?
Write me. I'm asking you.
Your Liliya.






My dear, I again can not find your letter.
My dear that happened to you? Write me.
I very much look forward to.




Playing with Russian scammers is enjoyable,,,,.



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IP Information - 188.186.17.79IP address: 188.186.17.79
Reverse DNS: [Timeout]
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Unknown]
ASN: 0
ASN Name: IANA-RSVD-0
IP range connectivity: 0
Registrar (per ASN): Unknown
Country (per IP registrar): RU [Russian Federation]
Country Currency: RUR [Russia Rubles]
Country IP Range: 188.186.0.0 to 188.187.255.255
Country fraud profile: High
City (per outside source): Unknown
Country (per outside source): -- []
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: whois.arin.net
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 188.186.17.79



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2010-01-09, 12:54:46
anonymous  
rating
Here is another passport under different last name and birth date. BTW, I got the pic by the red mail box too.

Later


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2010-01-09, 13:53:53
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Hi Guys (and Gals, if there are any),

Have been corresponding with a nice young 'lady' from Surok (why would a scammer chose Surok?? but I have found out 'she' also comes from Suna - for goodness sake!). She's not on this site at all (as far as I can see, checked a lot incl. all her pictures), nor on 'romancescam.com', but found her, under a completely different name, on 'stop-scammers.com' ( http://www.stop-sca..p?id=6889) but I can't really be bothered to pay the $17.99 registration to see if the pictures are the same. Whole chunks of the letters are verbatim to those I've received - she's good, good English, lots of personal information but nothing over the top (nor in the photos), and answers loads of questions.

The question is, we haven't yet got to the money question - certainly heading that way (up to letter 6 whereas it only took up to letter 4 for the other guy) - and since I've always said I am worried about our age difference I would be quite happy just to walk away now, but would I be correct then that I should not post all the details (her letters, e-mail headers, pictures) here? If so then I guess, for the greater good, I will act on until the denouement.
2010-01-09, 16:30:51   (updated: 2010-01-09, 16:32:44)
RealMadrid from Spain  
@wanwan

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Saludos desde España
2010-01-10, 15:48:14
anonymous from United States  
2010-01-11, 16:57:25
Bombers4Life from Canada  
I have been chased by this girl who contacted me initially from SeniorPeopleMeet.com
She has gone to great lengths to convince me that she loves me. She has provided me her cell phone and her home phone number at her 'Aunty's' because her parents were killed years ago in a car accident. Even though she claims to be going to hairdressing school and is dirt poor, she always appears to be well-dressed, and must have some money to carry on her cell phone,etc...
I have seen her twice on a webcam which is apparently at ther girlfriends house, as her computer 'is too old and cannot take a web-cam'

I believe now after she wants money to meet me in Las Vegas, that she is a scammer. The only way she will meet me is if I send her the money to Ghana, which I will not do...
If anybody has had communication from her I would be happy to hear from you. She says her name is Rebecca Yusif from Accra, Ghana and is 31 years old...


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2010-01-11, 21:25:21
DOC from United States  
Bombers4Life from Canada,

You see the guys on the computers under your girl,

that's who you been talking to. Your right! It's a scammer!



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2010-01-14, 01:46:49
RealMadrid from Spain  
Google it looks like hackers of www.uadreams.com have been allowed to attack this blog! http://bit.ly/5GZYRY
2010-01-14, 04:10:11   (updated: 2010-01-14, 04:50:11)
RealMadrid from Spain  
Google the hacker used 4affiliate.net. image from anastasia-international http://bit.ly/4DKHLh His Signature '); // -- http://bit.ly/5GZYRY

Image location
http://www.anastasi..errer+%22

Did I blame the wrong company? Just shows how dirty the whole Russian/Ukraine dating business is! Of course it could be Marina!

Still get the problem with Firefox but with Opera the Blog is alright!

Saludos

@wanwan
4affili. netハッカーが使用されます。アナスタシアかからのイメージの国際 http://bit.ly/4DKHL..名')/ / - http://bit.ly/5GZYRY


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